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LJ - Yes, still talking about it.
OK, you know what pisses me off about the whole thing - it isn't the deletion of journals, it isn't the covering of their corporate asses, it isn't even their obvious attempts to make profit. They are a company, they are in danger of law suits, and they have a right to make profit. No, those things doesn’t really bother me, it annoys me but it doesn't anger me, what makes my blood boil is Livejournal's complete and utter DISRESPECT to their customers (paying or otherwise).
You do NOT lie to your customers by putting words in Ponderosa's mouth. You do NOT mock your customers on a PUBLIC forum, no matter whether you are on holiday or not. You do NOT have the right to be self-righteous on your mountain when it is your customers who pay the company that pays you. You are in a SERVICE industry - your customers deserve to be considered, to be respected, and not to be ridiculed. The way that LJ has allowed their staff to continue to lie, to mock and to judge LJ accounts when they are obviously biased is unprofessional, unethical and disrespectful to their customers.
The utter disrespect that LJ, a profit-making business, has shown their customers is truly appalling.
No, still not leaving because leaving means they win, and I’ll be damned if I’m going to be forced out of here.
You do NOT lie to your customers by putting words in Ponderosa's mouth. You do NOT mock your customers on a PUBLIC forum, no matter whether you are on holiday or not. You do NOT have the right to be self-righteous on your mountain when it is your customers who pay the company that pays you. You are in a SERVICE industry - your customers deserve to be considered, to be respected, and not to be ridiculed. The way that LJ has allowed their staff to continue to lie, to mock and to judge LJ accounts when they are obviously biased is unprofessional, unethical and disrespectful to their customers.
The utter disrespect that LJ, a profit-making business, has shown their customers is truly appalling.
No, still not leaving because leaving means they win, and I’ll be damned if I’m going to be forced out of here.
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In regard to LJ ex-staff member - exactly. I can understand protecting oneself; it is the smart thing to do. Honestly speaking I think LJ is just trying to get rid of HP slash because HP is monolith of money and power, WB can squash LJ with very little thought.
See, when the whole LJ fiasco started up back in May I was kind of bemused by the whole thing. But now I'm just really stunned by LJ’s stupidity, and while it was about fandom, it honestly isn't anymore, at least not for me. I whole heartedly believe that LJ did the smart thing by removing content that could get them into hot water. However, I also know that LJ dropped the ball on the way they handled the whole situation. My objection to the whole kafuffle - the way LJ handled the situation and continual mishandling of it, and not the outcome (removal of content that could land them in deep sh*t). Having said that, events have reached the point that the way LJ did their business has seriously inflamed the situation.
If only they EXPLAINED themselves! If only the deleted journals got a WARNING, if only… either way LJ screwed themselves over royally.
Perhaps people can mount a campaign to get racial hate off of LJ, but it won't have anything to do with fandom.
I like that idea. Also, see above for my comment about me not taking this as a fandom thing so much as seeing it from a customer perspective. If I leave it won’t be for fandom, it will be because LJ truly failed on their corporate governance.
Abuse has always lacked transparency, but it seems this is the first time a large group of people are challenging it.
It always amazes me when corporate forgets that the Internet is the place where people do care. Things that people will forget/allow in RL are something that will send people online into a feeding frenzy. And yet, businesses continue to make the same mistakes over and over again.
Ah, the chan thing, I remember now. I honestly don’t know because pretty much missed that one completely. See what I mean about staying and TALKING about it always so that new people can be taught! ;p
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Well, the former things with abuse haven't had a high profile; look at the back archives for
As for why I'm not leaving, it's because it's a cost-benefit analysis for me. I get some things out of LJ, and I am not overly inconvenienced by what LJ gets out of me. I think LJ does benefit a teeny weeny bit, just as it does from any active user, but I don't care. LJ management will either get its head screwed on or not, but with all of this, I'm not holding my breath.
Oh, but why would we need to stay on LJ to talk about the Skyhawke chan thing? It had nothing to do with LJ.
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From what I've seen the legimate issues that have been ignored can come back and bite LJ on the arse.
I'm pretty much on the same boat as you, though I still want to talk about it because I honestly believe it ist the only way LJ will know how NOT to conduct business in the future. I can always hope.
Not Skyhawke so much as just things in general. It is sad, but I get most of my news from my flist or certain book marked sites.
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Talk about it to whom? I was thinking of sending in something to LJ to tell them to put all of this stuff in the FAQ, but people have been telling them to clarify abuse policies for years. I don't know why LJ doesn't take the advice people give it. Their prerogative, but I'm not going to waste my breath if they show no signs of updating.
Yeah, well, it seems that textual stuff with minors that lacks artistic merit is of dubious legality in Australia, IIRC.
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I make comments once, and only once. Then I go and make more noise on my own LJ, or other people's LJ. I'm a lurker at heart. Also, LJ's actions has/have/ been rather dumb.
This doesn't actually surprise me much. Sex in relation to minors always an explosion waiting to happen. It actually surprises me when people don't protect themselves btter when producing fanfiction than can get them into trouble. Also, Australian law/government is becoming more and more conservative. Don't even get me started on the stupid laws the Federal governtment are trying to pass.
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I wonder what they're going to do now? At this point, I'm not holding my breath for them to change, just more interested in seeing what new fireworks we'll see.
http://community.livejournal.com/free_speech_au/
Here's a comm which is supposed to have some legal information. There was supposedly a case, but I can't seem to find info on that because I don't know the name of the person.
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Whatever they do, or the users do, it is going to be really interesting.
Thanks for the link! Will check it up.
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It is. It will be interesting to see whether the comms go.
http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/tandi2/tandi279t.html
See also this link.
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In relation to link - interesting. Well, at least they made it extremely clear. Also, what happens when it is written or produced by someone who is also underage? I remember being 16 or 17, and into anime and manga.
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Um, with prison? Fine?
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