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black hole, FMA and farscape

  • Dec. 2nd, 2004 at 9:20 PM
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So, point of singularity, the black hole, wormholes, and parallel universes, yes, that's what I'll be blah-ing on about today. I admit, half the reason I went and read about the topic was because I was re-watching FMA and a few episodes of Farscape, and the whole concept of parallel worlds, and the use of black holes as a point of travel to these worlds became a bit uh, obsessive. Add the fact that Ed knew that the only way to get home was through space; well you have one fangirl who just want to know how it would work in theory if not practice.



Einstein, based on his gravitation theory, created a set of formulas known collectively as the Einstein Field Equations (or the General Theory of Relativity). The equations describe how an object curves space and how the curvature, in turn, stretches or squeezes matter in three spatial directions: north-south, east-west and up-down.

It sounds all nice in theory but there are a few problems when applying it, the equations are nonlinear and the sheer number of terms is impossible.

Relating this back to black holes. Karl Schwarzschild, during the First World War, applied Einstein's work to the gravitational fields of stars. Schwarzschild simplified the problem by considering a perfectly spherical star at rest, under the assumption that the star's interior had no effects on the star. He predicted the star's space-time curvature, and the solution used became known as the Schwarzschild geometry. Later, Schwarzschild predicted the space-time curvature inside the star. In effect, Schwarzschild was describing a singularity; it is a region of infinite space-time curvature that is said to lie within s black hole.

A black hole is formed when a star collapses on itself, and the intense gravitational field allows nothing, including light, to escape. In effect, the star disappears from the visible universe and forms a black hole.

Einstein and Rosen postulated a black hole is symmetrical to a white hole. The black hole/white hole pair would form a wormhole or vortex (FARSCAPE, John Crichton and the damn memories). The exact mathematics of this is worked out by the complete Schwarzschild geometry. A white hole is a black hole running backwards in time. A black holes swallow things, so the white holes spit them out (I am cutting a lots of things out, a lots.)

If this were the case, then any matter swallowed by the black hole would be quickly spat out by the white hole, in an unknown location. The location can be a distant point in the extreme part of the universe, in which case the wormhole would act as a shortcut through space and time. On the other hand, you can come out of the other side to arrive in a parallel universe, in which case it would act as a bridge between the different dimensions.

Since I want to talk about parallel universes, the second hypothesis it is ^_^, besides being a cool idea the latter hypothesis is also able explain the total absence of antimatter in the known universe. According to the principle of symmetry (Law of Conservation and so forth, but if there’s no equivalent trade in FMA then…), there must be equal amounts of matter and antimatter. However, the latter has not been discovered though it has been artificially produced in particle accelerators, the implications of being able to create antimatter in a world of matter to the whole parallel worlds hypothesis I don’t understand. Anyways, the existence of parallel universes could possibly explain the lack of antimatter in our world. In parallel dimensions, then, there could be objects similar to the planets and stars we are familiar with in our own, but constructed of antimatter. Don’t ask me I’m just trying to make sense of it.

Having said all of this, there’s one slight problem, white holes cannot exist, since they violate the second law of thermodynamics. The way the specialists get around this is by stating that the General Relativity is time symmetric. It does not know about the second law of thermodynamics, and it does not know about which way cause and effect go. The bottom line, there’s a lots of theorizing and even though over 70% of the physicists believe in parallel universes there’s just no prove (but I WANT to believe!)

Anyways, if Ed was thinking of using a wormhole to get home he’ll need to somehow find the exact location of his world before he enters a wormhole (this of course means he’ll first need to get into space.) Then again I get the distinct impression that there is no other universes beside Ed’s the one he’s stuck in. What I have talked about is the bare bones; there are pages after pages of formulas and extensive explanations. Go and read them yourself, it is really interesting (even the mathematics of the whole thing is interesting.)

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branchandroot: oak against sky (Default)
[personal profile] branchandroot wrote:
Dec. 2nd, 2004 09:42 am (UTC)
Have you ever read David Brin's science-fiction? He likes to play with the astrophysics a lot. Singularities, wormholes, string theory, hyperspace, all that jazz. The missing mass, too. He's a pretty good writer, too. Well, of prose at least. His poetry sucks big hairy goat balls. This seems to be true of all physicists. The limerick is the only poetic form any of them are at all good with. For instance--

Steve White, returning from Texas,
brought back myriad dimensions to perplex us.
But they are all
rolled up in a ball
so small that it never affects us.

Shortest explanation of ten spatial dimensions I ever saw.
[identity profile] naanima.livejournal.com wrote:
Dec. 2nd, 2004 03:18 pm (UTC)
*laughs*

Oh I like that.

I have heard of Brin but have never actually read any of his works. The problem with sci-fi writers is that more often than not they get caught up with the technicalities and forget the plot and the characters. Probably why I stick with non-fiction texts. But I'll have to check it out now 'cos I REALLY like the limerick.
[identity profile] nekomancy.livejournal.com wrote:
Dec. 5th, 2004 09:06 am (UTC)
Ok...
It might be the alcohol I had before I got on the plane, or the alcohol I had on the plane or even the amount of caffeine, altitude and extra food... but that hurt my brain.

But, there's a point I would like to make:
- if matter absorbed by blackhole (wormhole) is spat out as antimatter from the whitehole in the respective parallel world/universe then wouldn't Ed come out kinda "squished" for lack of a better word?

- if the lack of true equivalent trade in FMA was to apply, then wouldn't the Hoenhime's? theory of death energy be slightly redundant?
[identity profile] naanima.livejournal.com wrote:
Dec. 6th, 2004 06:11 am (UTC)
Re: Ok...
It does hurt the brain. It took me 20 eps of 'Farscape', five hours of reading the theory, and six hours at having a go at the mathematics (the brain! The pain!), and I've finally got some sort of idea on the whole wormhole thing.

1. Wormhole is a combination of a black hole and a white hole aligning together. Symmetry and all that (actually I'm still a bit blur on this), without each other there can be no wormhole that acts as a tunnel between long distance or a tunnel between parallel universe.

2. Matter is not absorbed through the wormhole, it is 'swallowed' by the wormhole, and it is spat out as matter through the wormhole into the parallel universe. The matter is still matter, nothing about its formation has changed, its basic structure is still the same. It is just that now, the matter is in a parallel universe that contains anti-matter where our universe doesn't.

In fact if you think about it, the world where Ed is stuck is more like 'our' universe, and the world where alchemy existed is the universe that is not. So, maybe, just maybe, Ed's world is the world that contains anti-matter, and our world is world that is the world of matter, where anti-matter doesn't exist.

Remember, alchemy is powered by the death energy of those who dies in 'our' world. So, if the energy is matter then it is hypothetically like that 'matter' is the power behind alchemy in Ed's world.

Oh, I'm giving myself a headache, and I'm not even drinking.

(Glad you're safe and well ^_^)
[identity profile] nekomancy.livejournal.com wrote:
Dec. 7th, 2004 07:38 pm (UTC)
Re: Ok...
Umm... I debate this with you when I get back.
But 1 Q. So you mean anti-matter has the same BASIC chemical composition as whatever matter it originally was in the AU(matter)? the only difference being the AU(anit-matter) has received it through wormhole.
As in:
2H2O = 2H2 + O2; which results into explosions like Mustang's with aid of sparks of his gloves.

But the issue that arises from this would be... are there merely 2 AUs? If there is more than 2 how does the equation then balance out?
[identity profile] naanima.livejournal.com wrote:
Dec. 16th, 2004 05:29 pm (UTC)
Re: Ok...
.....

Q1. No, it means that anti-matter and matter are two different things.... ok, we'll discuss this when you get back.

Q2. And that's where the whole thing falls apart. If all of thins hinges on Einstein's and Shwarzchild's geometry it means that there are more than just One parallel universe. There should be an unlimited number of universes, and if this is the case it would mean that the GATE is a direct line between Ed's world and out World but NO other worlds. So, if Ed were to attempt to return home through a wormhole he NEED to know the correct, uh, address to get to his universe.
[identity profile] nekomancy.livejournal.com wrote:
Dec. 20th, 2004 03:38 am (UTC)
*ROFL*
incorrect IP connections could be dangerous

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