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Here's the bottom line, Sasuke is an avenger, he chose his path, and I truly respect him for his willingness to do anything to reach his goal. So, why the backlash? It isn't his fault that the HOKAGE sent our favourite characters after him, and that they are getting killed.

Sure, having people die for him is hurting me (I love Chouji and rest damn it), and I -really- don't see why Tsunade even bothered sending a team to chase after Sasuke when it should be pretty obvious that -these- children aren't gonna stand a chance.

I don't hate Sasuke, I may be highly annoyed and even angered that some of my fav characters are probably dead, but I don't hate Sasuke. I do, however, think it is not worth the sacrifice going after Sasuke when the boy has already DECIDED to go to Orochimaru.

YES. Decided. Free will. You know, decisions that impact on an individual’s life based on his/her own choices.

So, I don't see why the hate should be coming from the deaths, as for the other reasons... Sasuke is not a whinny little, stupid, snot-nosed kid. Sasuke is an angry, probably at times borderline insane -child- who is trying to fulfill a goal that will likely destroy him. But Sasuke doesn't care, because to Sasuke, his chance at a normal life ended when Itachi decided to massacre their clan.

So, Sasuke has to be strong, and cut all emotions, except the anger, the hate, and the determination to kill Itachi. Except Fate is a bitch and the best-laid plans never survive beyond the planning stage. Instead Sasuke meets his Team, and somewhere along the way realised 'Hey, I have way more emotions than I thought I did.'

And somehow (because Naruto, by existing, changes people, and Sakura loves him unconditionally), somewhere along the way he began to care. Not only that, Sasuke began to hope, to hope that it might be okay to have a life outside of anger and hate, because he has his 'precious people' to protect now. Not saying that Sasuke doesn't want to kill Itachi anymore, it's just that maybe he can become strong at his own pace, try the normal way, learn the chidori, and becoming stronger with Naruto, because hey, Naruto exists for Sasuke to measure against, to be -stronger- against, to protect.

See, this would have been fine except Naruto is the MAIN character, and Naruto is STRONGER than Sasuke now. You know what they say, when it rains it pours. So, Itachi, the cold reality, comes along and completely destroy Sasuke, demolish the little bit of healthy, normal living that Sasuke had began to build, and Sasuke realises.

Our little avenger realises that there was no way in hell that he can beat Itachi the normal way. Never. And really, what the fuck has he being thinking about, why the fuck has he been wasting his time? Reality isn't nice, and Sasuke got a wake up call. Somewhere along the way Naruto became so much more powerful than Sasuke, to the extend that maybe Sasuke can't catch up to anymore, at least not in the normal way, and if Dead Last Naruto, his rival has left him so far behind, and his brother can throw him around like a rag doll, what the hell was one emotionally screwed, psychologically fucked up kid meant to do?

Orochimaru enters stage left. The snake can give everything to Sasuke. Power, power, power. So much power that Sasuke can kill his brother, and hey, who cares what happens afterwards? Sasuke never planned to live beyond Itachi anyway. So Sasuke makes a decision, Sasuke chooses his vengeance over his precious people, Sasuke chooses Itachi over Naruto and Sakura, and seriously people, were any of you surprised?

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branchandroot: oak against sky (Default)
[personal profile] branchandroot wrote:
Mar. 26th, 2004 08:29 am (UTC)
I do wonder if part of the problem is that the manga doesn't make it entirely clear that Itachi is still the driving force behind Sasuke's decisions. There's a pretty long stretch, all during the chase/fights, when I, at least, was left with the impression that Sasuke might have chosen this purely to be stronger than Naruto. Which would be horribly childish and brat-like.

It isn't particularly reasonable to assume that Itachi has just up and vanished from Sasuke's calculations, but all the reasoning you cite is left implied rather than stated. And I've noticed that US fans, in particular, seem to have some difficulty catching implications that I suspect the writer thought were obvious.

I did feel a powerful urge to thwap Sasuke for rushing in like that, rather than pausing to ask what's up with this Orochimaru yo-ho, and with Naruto too, but, as you say, that's Sasuke.

And the adults deserve some serious thwapping, too, for not telling him straight up without being asked, once they knew he was targeted.
[identity profile] naanima.livejournal.com wrote:
Mar. 26th, 2004 09:15 am (UTC)
No doubt about it. I think, at least half of the reason that Sasuke followed Orochimaru is because of Naruto's new power up, but like you said Itachi can't jsut have disappeared from Sasuke's mind, and I honestly believe that is the main driven force. I just happen to think taht Naruto is the straw that broke the camel;'s back.

But you're right, US fans do have a tendency to not pick up the subtext that most mangaka seem to -not- say.

You're not the only one. I wanted to kick Sasuke and Naruto's arse many a time, but the one that I really want to strangle is Tsunade. Sure, she's awesome, she kick arse, but what the hell was she thinking letting a bunch of genins go after Orochimaru's chosen?

Also, as you said, what the hell are the adults thinking? It's perfectly all right to send children to kill, but it is obviously a no, no to tell the truth. If they are prepared to let children die, than the least they can do is tell the truth to a -child- when the child is emotionally damaged in the first place.

Hate cloak and dagger when it isn't needed.
[identity profile] worldserpent.livejournal.com wrote:
Mar. 26th, 2004 11:56 am (UTC)
I think most of the reason I don't like Sasuke is because I find the avenger plot a tad overdone, and I can't see why Sasuke is so impatient now (Naruto has Kyuubi. Sasuke doesn't. It's understandable); but on the other hand, I'm the sort who thinks the best revenge is living well and that it doesn't matter who kills your enemy as long as he is dead. Plus Sasuke intends to resurrect his clan, and this seems to not work towards furthering that.

Yeah, and I don't see why Tsunade sent the genin to do it. Seems misconceived, but of course they need to send someone, even if Sasuke left of his own free will, because he does have an advanced bloodline.
[identity profile] naanima.livejournal.com wrote:
Mar. 27th, 2004 02:57 am (UTC)
Understandable. So, it's a matter of personal beliefs and timing?

Revenge for me is a funny thing. I change my mind based on the context and the character involved. See, if this was boti I'd be first one to tell Rin to let go of Revenge and just live, go away, find someone she loves, hell stick with Manji, and just leave the whole mess. Rin has a chance to live and be well adjusted.

But Sasuke... Sasuke is different, Sasuke will never be a poster boy for the mentally balanced. What Sasuke is now is so mixed with his sense of purpose, of who he is, that the only way Sasuke can go on, to live a normal life, to have a family, is to kill Itachi. And that sucks, because we get to see that Sasuke can be normal (if bratty) teenager, when Naruto is there.

And ditto to the advanced bloodline.
[identity profile] worldserpent.livejournal.com wrote:
Mar. 27th, 2004 11:53 am (UTC)
Yeah, it is my personal belief, really, so I'm not sure where the author stands on it.

I think BotI handles this ambiguity with revenge. Revenge for the sake of family is something sanctioned in that society, I get the impression. And thusly, if Rin doesn't take her revenge, there will never be any justice for her parents. And so that makes things very different, IMO, because if society says it's okay for Rin to be a vigilante, than that gets rid of many of the traditional arguments against vengeance.

Sasuke: Yes, I agree, that Itachi has made it impossible to get rid of his duty to slay him.

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