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I don't like AU fanfiction. When I say AU I mean fanfiction where the author place the characters in another time/place/fantasy/different Universe with new pasts, new names, new identities. For example, the GW fandom seems to be the most prominent in the production of this type of AU, the boys lives in Medieval/fantasy setting where they are priests, magicians, warriors, blah, blah, or they are your normal average teenagers with normal average problems set in present day, etc., etc.

I don't like these fanfiction because the author ultimately changes the characters' past and everything that made them who they are. I'm a sole believer that the only thing separating one person from another is their experience (okay, their biological predisposition also plays a part, but these predispositions will mostly occur when people are living in an environment where it allows these predispositions to develop), thus, by changing a characters' experience, or what has happened in CANON, you are in effect making a completely different person, where the only thing that is recognizable is the characters names. Thus, you might as well be writing original fiction.

When I read fanfiction I want to read about the CANON characters involved in adventures with ALL of the CANON experience and memories that made them who they are. I don't want to read fanfiction where the only thing that is similar to my loved characters is the way they look and their names. For example, I like reading post-series fanfiction, which I know is classified as AU by some, these fanfiction I like because the characters are still themselves with all the memories of what has happened to them in the past (i.e. during the series), they act accordingly to what happened to them, or at least act in a way that is similar to ways similar to past actions.

In conclusion, no, this is not an attack on people who write this type of AU or people who like reading them; it is just a statement on my own personal taste. Okies, I think that's enough ranting on my part.

Comments

[identity profile] lizbyrd.livejournal.com wrote:
Dec. 1st, 2003 08:45 pm (UTC)
By an amazing coincidence, I was making that very rant just the other day. Although I also made mention of the fact that it seems to me that authors seem to write AU "fanfiction" like that because they know if it's fanfic, people will read it. I don't think they consciously think like that, but that's the way I feel when I read a fic that has the GW boys as dragonriders of Pern or whatnot.
[identity profile] naanima.livejournal.com wrote:
Dec. 1st, 2003 10:54 pm (UTC)
I have a theory about teh Great lj Collective, which I'm not going to get into, 'cos it sound a bit too much like paranoia ^^;;;

I think that most authors write fanfiction where GW boys are dragonriders because they really think it's a good idea and cool. I do, however, agree with you that it probably is a unconscious act.
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[personal profile] lacewood wrote:
Dec. 1st, 2003 09:03 pm (UTC)
... *looks sheepish* Though in my half-hearted defense, I am TRYING to keep everyone's pasts only er, transposed to a modern context...?

What about AUs of the what-if variety? Where you change key events in the series/past? A lot of them do have pretty interesting ideas...
[identity profile] naanima.livejournal.com wrote:
Dec. 1st, 2003 10:50 pm (UTC)
Nothing to defend. As I said it's all personal taste, I don't like AUs (the tranplantation type) but I'll be first to say that many a talented authors write beautiful AUs, unfortunately it just isn't my cup of tea.

I do agree with bakaneko on this one, AUs need to be defined better, and 'what-if' while AU is different than Transplantation. Mind you, I make the clear distinction during 'what-if' fanfics that the characters are no longer the one I love but rather what could have been if something in their life have gone a bit different. This is quite different from having characters in a sci-fi setting becoming pirates.
[identity profile] baka-neko.livejournal.com wrote:
Dec. 1st, 2003 09:34 pm (UTC)
I'm biased, but there's an AU Smallville fic that I quite adore, and I must, must hunt down so that I can pimp the fic at you.

Simply, what if Lionel Luthor went into the cornfield looking for his son and not only discovered Lex suffering from meteor radiation, but also found an alien toddler dragging his space-pod after him like a favorite blankie?

I think AUs need to do be defined better, really. I think there's a difference between 'what-if' AUs and transplanting characters from a universe to another. Like the above example, the what-if fic wonders how 'differently' a character would have grown/matured if something else had/had not happened.

But the transplantation, (I keep thinking of it as a crossover for some reason), the characters REMAIN THE SAME regardless of background or current occupation. There are suitable changes to fit the new universe they're occupying in, but essentially, the character itself is supposed to be, somehow, the quintessential Heero or Duo or Sailormoon regardless of the actual universe they occupy. They may grow slightly differently, but it's like Sliders where you meet AU versions of yourself and discover that your AU version may be a beefy fearless barbarian warrior, but he still has the really horrible habit of picking his nose and scratching his ass when bored.

We won't consider those where only the character names are the same. Hopefully, the above was coherent...
[identity profile] naanima.livejournal.com wrote:
Dec. 1st, 2003 10:44 pm (UTC)
AUs definitely deserve to be defined better, 'what-if' fanfics are different from transplantation fanfics. While I see your point it just doesn't click with me. It doesn't matter if they are suitable changes to the characters, the bottom line is that they are different. Going back to 'Sliders' it doesn't matter how many different worlds they travelled to, the main driving force is that they are trying get back home, and no matter how many, uhh, different versions of themselves they meet, theya re still -different-. The person I love, and a person from a parallel world while similar in many ways will still be different, and it is this difference, their unique experience that changes them, makes them different, makes them not the person I love.

I think I might have gotten off the point. And you read SV fics. WAHHHHH *huggles* Jen's fics are good.
[identity profile] ayatsujik.livejournal.com wrote:
Dec. 2nd, 2003 02:03 am (UTC)
AMEN.

It _is_ a matter of pesonal taste, but I sparkle at finding people who share the same opinion. It's especially bad for series like sports ones, I think - when a large part of who the characters *are* is built around their love of a game, or a specific ideal, or *something* anyway, you remove the setting in which they use that thing and you don't have the same character(s). End of story. It becomes the transplantation-AU person's orichara(s), more or less, and the quality of the AU itself aside, as you said, that wouldn't interest me. Like, Ryoma-tachi without tennis are *not* Ryoma-tachi, however engagingly you change their environments and them, and just - period. ^^; (I know, I know, Bowling no Oujisama eps and the like, but those were *funny* fillers.)
[identity profile] naanima.livejournal.com wrote:
Dec. 2nd, 2003 04:10 am (UTC)
*NODS vigorously*

Exactly. Quality of writing aside, AUs make me sad (and lose my interest almost straight away, unless it's in the name of comede) because what make me love certain characters has been taken away.

Ryoma without tennis, would be like DragonBalls without the constant resurrection and fights. And seriously without tennis, Ryouma is like a snot nosed kid with no redeedim feature (ok, he's cute, and the snark is good, but there is no tennis). Also, Bowling no Oujisama had class (ok, cheese, but good cheese) ^__^
[identity profile] morinotokei.livejournal.com wrote:
Dec. 2nd, 2003 06:55 am (UTC)
While I have read a couple AUs that I've enjoyed in the past, I think those are rare exceptions for me. It's not that the concept of altering the setting doesn't interest me, because it can be interesting. I don't mind discussions among fans involving these concepts. It just doesn't interest me when applied to fanfiction. It all has to do with my motivation for reading fic, which is (as you mentioned above), the desire to read about the very same characters I know and love within a series/game/etc, along with the same setting that comes with the characters. Perhaps if someone were to rec me a wonderfully written AU in a fandom I know absolutely nothing about, I wouldn't have as much of a problem reading it. I think this is an extension of my rigid canon whore tendencies. Generally, unless an AU has been written by someone whose writing I just cannot resist reading, or has been recc'ed by all the people whose opinions I trust, I won't read it. But even then, I've been disappointed far too many times.

Ok, I'm done saying my "me too" now. ^_~
[identity profile] naanima.livejournal.com wrote:
Dec. 3rd, 2003 02:53 am (UTC)
Personally, I find discusisons on AU concepts very amusing and entertaining, but it doesn't mean I will read AU fanfiction ^^ (once again personal taste is the importance here). And I have to say your experience with AU pretty much mirrors mine. I have been disappointed way too many times for me to care about AUs.
[identity profile] worldserpent.livejournal.com wrote:
Dec. 2nd, 2003 10:00 am (UTC)
You know, I think that that idea of personality comes the closest with me, as well as the caveat that people might not have one True Personality, but behave situationally and can almost become different people based on what situation and environment they're in.

So I agree with you that I don't like at all stories where backstory is arbitrarily changed or added to, especially if the writer is going to introduce a Major Traumatic incident which is secretly the golden key to the entirety of the character's actions.

As for AUs, well, I just don't like them because I have a love-hate relationship with worldbuilding, and a lot of the times the world is like a character, and I think you gotta include it.
[identity profile] naanima.livejournal.com wrote:
Dec. 3rd, 2003 02:57 am (UTC)
I think we have had a chat about personality before, but yes, it is pretty much how it works for me. A person's identity is multi-faceted and mecurial.

Oh yes, the Major Traumatic experience that gives their fave characters more to angst about. I'm getting quite sick of that.

You got it exactly. You've got to include the world if you're have the character. If you care going to build a new world you might as well make original characters.
[identity profile] worldserpent.livejournal.com wrote:
Dec. 3rd, 2003 09:58 am (UTC)
Strangely, that book I was reading recently suggests that this is an idea of personality more popular in East Asian than Western Europe, which may explain some things.

Yeah, if there is Major Traumatic Experience that explains it all, you'd figure that the creator would have mentioned it as important to the conception of the character. Well, all of my favorite characters who angst have something already to angst about. >:D So I don't need to invent some incident.

Exactly. Putting the Suikoden characters in highschool only works if you're writing parody or deliberate badfic. For some reason this is an insanely popular genre, if only because so many of the writers themselves are thinking about what will happen when they go to HS next year. :P
[identity profile] naanima.livejournal.com wrote:
Dec. 3rd, 2003 10:02 pm (UTC)
Okies, since this is one of my fav subjects (and I went slightly overboard when studying for social psych...), it has been found that Eastern Asians (Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, etc.) are much more contextually aware than Westerners. This is found in relation to attributions. For example, when making an attribution about a person's behaviour EA are more likely to look at the context that the behaviour occurred in (i.e., known as situational attributions), however, Westerners (or at least, Americans, English, etc.) are more likely to make distributional attributions (as in, the behaviour is a result of an inherent trait, e.g., the perosn is just anxious, discarding situational facts).

To sum up, perceptions of behaviours, personalities, and identity is all related to your culture background. All of this is done subconsciously. This also works for object perception. Have a unique (colour, shape, whatever) in a pool with landscapes, etc. participants from EA backgound will provide much better information about the overall picture, but not much about the unique item, while participants from Western bg will provide more detail to the unique fish, and less info on the surrounding. Most of the experts bellieve that EA people seem to perceive things more holistically.

Gee, that was really lond winded, sorry ^^;;;

Nod to the Major Traumatic Experience. Seriously, why would you want to heap on some mundane trauma such as abuse, when the manga/anime provide you long, drawn out, painful angst that's so much more interesting.

HS fanfics, I like the parodies, they are always a laugh, but the serious ones... *sigh* I remember those. *laughs* Yes, the authors must be terrified of moving into the big, bad world o HS *snickers*
[identity profile] worldserpent.livejournal.com wrote:
Dec. 4th, 2003 10:45 am (UTC)
Yes.... That's exactly the phenomenon that was discussed in the Geography of Thought. They discussed the fish experiments, and they discussed evaluations of these articles about a shooting. This Chinese exchange student went nuts and shot up some people at a US university. They compared articles about how the Chinese newspapers and US newspapers covered the event, and they also compared articles on a school shooting done by a US student so as to eliminate that source of potential bias. They found that the Chinese papers emphasized the student's environment and things that had happened, and the US ones emphasized what sort of person the shooter had been. They found that Americans were more likely to believe that the shooter would have done it even if the enviromental factors hadn't occurred, the Chinese the opposite.
[identity profile] naanima.livejournal.com wrote:
Dec. 5th, 2003 09:07 am (UTC)
Of course, all of these raises interesting questions for many theories, and you won't belief just how much of psychology is under attack here. Although most who studies psychology isn't too surprised, they've just been waiting for the evidence to back it up. Culture/surroundings does influence the way people behave.
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[identity profile] amei.livejournal.com wrote:
Dec. 2nd, 2003 10:52 am (UTC)
But somethings just beg to be written!!!!
Simon McDohl is a 16 year old-transfer student in Toran Senior High, where he Meets the beatufiul but queit student Prefect Kasumi!!!1 and Who is that other pretty but angry boy who has mysterious powers who also seems to be interested in the lovely Kasumi? All is well until Moonshine, the reincarnation of Windy turned up at the school TO WREAK HAVOC!!!! Will thiS new terror tear McDohl and Kasumi apart or will therlove pull them trhough and save the day?!?!! Suikoden/AU

Notes from the author; Yes, I am aware that your wank rant didn't include bad spelling, but I couldn't resist. I understand that you would want to tear me to little bits right now. If I don't get Soul Eater'd first. I always wanted to write one of these. Oy. Vey.
[identity profile] naanima.livejournal.com wrote:
Dec. 3rd, 2003 02:59 am (UTC)
Re: But somethings just beg to be written!!!!
OMFG......... MY EYES! MY EYES! MY EYES! MY EYES! MY EYES! It BURNS!!!!

....................

I'm scarred for live. See, this is the reason why I really dislike AUs. And babe. I'm gonna so wave pom poms if you SoulEater the dork.

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