I want to talk about Mary today because I’m absolutely fascinated by this woman who has had the least amount of screen time than any other woman on SPN. No, I’m not counting WISAWSNB because that wasn’t Mary it was Dean’s interpretation of Mary. She has undeniably influenced the lives of the 3 remaining Winchesters more than any other figure, barring the YED.
Mary was the reason John became a hunter, she was the reason Sam could taken down 2 SWAT guys without a sweat, and Dean can shoot threats down without a flinch. Yet, all we have of this woman is her 5 minutes appearance in the pilot, her ghost appearance and the revisited pilot scene. From these scenes the audience was presented with a younger mother who loved her son enough to die for him. This is the woman who stayed behind as a ghost to saver her youngest – what cemented Mary’s character for me was her short scenes in Home when she told the malicious spirits to “Get out of my house.”
I don’t know why, but there was this strength, this unyielding steel with the way she intoned those words. And I think it was at that moment that Mary Winchester became more than a Symbol of the Winchester mantle for me. She became real; she became someone who I kept on hoping would become an important focal point of the storyline, more than just an icon, but someone who might have had a past before John. I blabbed in details about why I think Mary was a psychic kid at one point. But alas there were no signs of Mary ever being ‘special’, none of the other psychic kids had mothers that exhibited anything special. Then AHBL happened, and we got the scene of Mary recognizing the YED. I was over the moon.
The Kids Are Alright has revealed that all of Mary’s friends had died. What’s more strange – it appears that they all died around the same time – June 2006. What is so significant about the time? It was post Sam teaming up with Dean again, and it was before John died, there’s nothing special about the date as far as I can tell. Also, I can understand Mary’s family being killed, and to a small extent even the deaths of some of her close friends can be accepted; perhaps psychic kids themselves. However, why kill her doctor? Did the doctor have something to do with why Sam is ‘special’ now? Is there some anomaly with Mary’s physiology?
The episode left me excited and with way more questions than I know what to do with. Is it significant that in an episode where children are replaced with changelings that the viewer finds out Mary’s doctor is dead, that something had been done to Sam because it was always about Sam?
Beyond the implication that Sam was tempered with well before he was born, I keep on thinking about the way cuckoo laid their eggs in the nests of other birds. Female cuckoos can lay eggs that closely resemble those of their chosen victim. Cuckoo chicks grow up faster than the rest of the chosen nest at the mother will believe that it is her own. So, what if Sam is not a Winchester? What then? Honestly speaking this doesn’t sit well with me because I’m all about Sam and Dean being blood relatives, but it is an interesting concept.
It is really good to have my show back again. Now I go back to work.
Mary was the reason John became a hunter, she was the reason Sam could taken down 2 SWAT guys without a sweat, and Dean can shoot threats down without a flinch. Yet, all we have of this woman is her 5 minutes appearance in the pilot, her ghost appearance and the revisited pilot scene. From these scenes the audience was presented with a younger mother who loved her son enough to die for him. This is the woman who stayed behind as a ghost to saver her youngest – what cemented Mary’s character for me was her short scenes in Home when she told the malicious spirits to “Get out of my house.”
I don’t know why, but there was this strength, this unyielding steel with the way she intoned those words. And I think it was at that moment that Mary Winchester became more than a Symbol of the Winchester mantle for me. She became real; she became someone who I kept on hoping would become an important focal point of the storyline, more than just an icon, but someone who might have had a past before John. I blabbed in details about why I think Mary was a psychic kid at one point. But alas there were no signs of Mary ever being ‘special’, none of the other psychic kids had mothers that exhibited anything special. Then AHBL happened, and we got the scene of Mary recognizing the YED. I was over the moon.
The Kids Are Alright has revealed that all of Mary’s friends had died. What’s more strange – it appears that they all died around the same time – June 2006. What is so significant about the time? It was post Sam teaming up with Dean again, and it was before John died, there’s nothing special about the date as far as I can tell. Also, I can understand Mary’s family being killed, and to a small extent even the deaths of some of her close friends can be accepted; perhaps psychic kids themselves. However, why kill her doctor? Did the doctor have something to do with why Sam is ‘special’ now? Is there some anomaly with Mary’s physiology?
The episode left me excited and with way more questions than I know what to do with. Is it significant that in an episode where children are replaced with changelings that the viewer finds out Mary’s doctor is dead, that something had been done to Sam because it was always about Sam?
Beyond the implication that Sam was tempered with well before he was born, I keep on thinking about the way cuckoo laid their eggs in the nests of other birds. Female cuckoos can lay eggs that closely resemble those of their chosen victim. Cuckoo chicks grow up faster than the rest of the chosen nest at the mother will believe that it is her own. So, what if Sam is not a Winchester? What then? Honestly speaking this doesn’t sit well with me because I’m all about Sam and Dean being blood relatives, but it is an interesting concept.
It is really good to have my show back again. Now I go back to work.
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it appears that they all died around the same time – June 2006
Another date that was mentioned in that montage was July 19, 2001. Because of the jump cuts and the disjointed dialogue it's hard to tell who that date was attached to, but I assume that it was another death date. *shrugs*
But, if so, it implies that the YED was murdering Mary's friends/family long before the PsyKid's powers began manifesting themselves and before all the "demon signs" showed up in 2005. Also, this was way before Survivor PsyKidSouth Dakota that left Sam the sole survivor ... so I want to know if the YED did this to every PsyKid's mom (Rosie's, Max's), or was Sam singled out from the other PsyKids from the get go? *scratches head*
Ah, this show is great brain food. :) I'm glad that it's back for another season as well. *crosses fingers for a fourth season*
Ohh. Didn't spot that one. Though, would that be around the time Sam left John and Dean? OF course this is if we are going by the script in the pilot, and not the 2 years that Kripke admitted was the correct date.
Well, everyone (demons) seem to be saying Sam is the important one. Hell, even the YED admitted that Sam is his favourite - but that could just be the YED having a preference. It is hard to say because Rosie and Max's parents didn't appear to be anything special; Rosie mother's appeared to be terrified and didn't know what the hell was happening, and we don't know enough about Max's mother. However, there is Mary knowing the YED...
Ah, it is good to have our show back! *crosses finger with you*.
There are so many questions/theories that thinking about them all would make my head explode. I do think there's a BIG secret about Mary and her friends/family and I'd like to think that it's something good that the YED doesn't want the Winchesters to find out about.
Her name is Mary after all, and she's associated with pink and roses which after all the color metas that have been done, means she's the protector. Was she supposed to protect Sam then? But then why would the YED say she was just at the wrong place at the wrong time? Taunting Sam and giving him the wrong idea maybe...
Hmmm. Please please please Kripke, don't dangle this thread until episode 22!! That's so far away!
One of these days I want to write a fanfic about Mary and Missouri but I am notoriously bad about threatening to write something special and never delivering.
Ohhh, I never thought of it as something good (I work under the concept that writers like torturing their characters as much as possible). See, I think she is the protector, I'm just wondering how did she know about the YED, and if she was special why did the YED take her down with such ease? I always take what the YED says with a pinch of salt, he appears to be 50/50 when it comes to the truth.
I'm so hoping more will be revealed soon! Though this could possible become the season of Mary, and if it is paced like s1, we may not see anything resolved until ep. 18.
I look forward to your fic!
Totally agreed. And it's extra special for me because I have a sister and we tend to go on lots of roadtrips so for the writers to break apart that blood bond just seems... almost personal, I guess is a good way to put it. Granted Dean and Sam would still consider themselves 'brothers' but without a blood connection it's just different somehow.
Ohhh, I never thought of it as something good (I work under the concept that writers like torturing their characters as much as possible).
Oi, they do, don't they? I'm holding out hope that Kripke & co will have some kind of 'good' besides a (very very) loosely connected hunter network because I do like a little dash of hope within my television shows. Not angels/Heaven et all necessarily, but just something else that would be a guard against all the demonic forces out and about. So far all we've been shown that can fight demons are hunters (who can be killed), Devil's Traps (which can be broken), holy water (which won't work on higher-level beasties), exorcisms (which can fail if the demon uses a binding lock as seen in BUaBS), and a knife and a gun.
Sorry, went toally off-topic there. But maybe you get what I'm trying to say...
, I think she is the protector, I'm just wondering how did she know about the YED, and if she was special why did the YED take her down with such ease? I always take what the YED says with a pinch of salt, he appears to be 50/50 when it comes to the truth.
Yeah, and the perfect way to mess around with people is to tell the truth but leave out the little important details. I'm right with you in that I hope that we get at least a few answers in the near-future. There are plenty of plotlines now that can be extended and played with without leaving other parts of the story open/unfinished.
It would be so cool if everything in the past was, in fact, All About Mary. And then, by extension, everything now is All About Mary's Boys.
Thanks and I'll try my hardest to actually write it! ;)
I see you point! It makes sense that there need to be something of equal strength on the side of good if 'real' evil walks on earth with little opposition. However, my take on it has always been that by there being Hunters means that God (or whatever form of omniscient being the SPN believes in) is providing humans a chance to fight. It is all about free will, evil never fought fair, but human have the choice to choose. We can choose to lay down and die, or we fight, and Hunters who choose to fight despite the odds because of free will, something that only we have. I'm not sure if I'm making sense but it one of those meta that I toy with but have never written, yet.
I'm really excited about this season, which I admit I was feeling a bit not too happy with post season premiere, but I'm all good now! Yes, it would awesome if it had always being about Mary! Hehehe!
Awesome, I'll await your fic!
Oh yeah. And the thing with real family is, I've found, that you can love them to death or want to chew them out for being so stupid but you're still stuck with them. That's not always true for a family you'd make.
We can choose to lay down and die, or we fight, and Hunters who choose to fight despite the odds because of free will, something that only we have
That's actually a good theory/philosophy about SPN. And yeah, I can see it working on the smaller/ more intimate scale that we see it in the show.
I'm really excited about this season, which I admit I was feeling a bit not too happy with post season premiere, but I'm all good now!
I've been keeping up with spoilers because I am a Bad Person and there are two episodes that I'm really excited about and a few others that I'm up in the air over. I honestly have no idea where Kripke et. all are going with Sam n' Dean yet and considering the last two seasons, it will all come together/come apart at the last episode. Curse the wait!!
Awesome, I'll await your fic!
Um, this isn't exactly what I was going for but if you want to try it, here it is (http://blackjedii.livejournal.com/468755.html#cutid1). At least I did actually get it out of my head this time...
I think what I love about SPN more than other shows like ‘Buffy’ or ‘Charmed’ is because it is on such a smaller/intimate level, relatively speaking. They are no slayers, no prophesized champions, just regular people who fights, because it is the right thing to do. Prime example being Dean, he could’ve had a life, but that would have been the wrong thing to do, how can he live in peace when he knows what’s out there. It is always a choice to fight, and I love Dean (and all the other hunters) that chose to fight.
I’m rather unspoiled this season, I mean I knew there was going to a kid in last week’s ep, that there’s going to be a Christmas episode and that the crossroads demon is going to be making a return. But I don’t know the when or how, and I think for once I’m going to try and keep myself as unspoiled as possible for this season, Believe me, this whole ‘unspoiled’ thing is all so new for me.
I will read tonight. Now it is back to work!
YES! Thank you! S'what I feel but you say it so much better! :)
The conversations Sam has at the end are chopped up and it was only during a rewatch that I caught some of the dates. My surprise is that they were so recent (not to mention how Sam knew of these people at all). But perhaps it's simply that they were spaced out. A rash of deaths connected to Mary soon after hers would have raised suspicion.
Exactly! John must loved her beyond imagination, most men would have given up - look at Max's father, but John Winchester let fury and grief guide him. I just love him so very much, and I'd love more about John and Mary in canon or fanon.
I know, you'd think the YED would have started killing way earlier, like right after Mary's death, but no, he waited until Sam is an adult. Though, wasn't it during Simon Said that the YED went around killing everyone related to Andy's mother. I do agree with the idea of not raising suspicion, but what could scare the YED. Also, wouldn't it be smart if he started killing them off throughtout a 20 year period rather than have them so recent?
I'm just happy our show is back!
It's an intriguing plot thread, that's for sure.
This weekend I was watching my season 2 dvds and one of the eps that I watched was Houses of he Holy and in it Dean said Mary had told him angels were watching over them...so I started more thinking maybe Mary is special in some way...especially with the fact that she recognised the YED.
I am leaning towards maybe she was on the side of good mainly because if she was evil in some way (part demon or whatever) then Sam wouldnt be the only 'special' one.
I think the reason the YED waited so long to start killing Marys family/friends was because probably up until recently John, even though her death propelled him into the hunting business, he was basically running as hard as he could from that event - he was just so grief stricken at her death. But now that John was getting closer to the YED he had to cover his tracks...whatever they were in relation to Mary.
I am sort of thinking maybe why Sam is so special is Mary was one of the good guys so the YED took special delight in trying to corrupt the child of someone so good.
Oh I just dont know....everytme I think about it my brain goes off in a different direction. I hate waiting to find out!!!
then Sam wouldnt be the only 'special' one. But why isn’t Dean special? I mean does it matter whether Mary was part demon or part angelic? Either way you’d think it would have been inherited by both of her sons. This is the only part of the whole Sam is ‘special’ thing that gets to me; if he’s meant to be the prodigal son, the anti-Christ because he has special abilities from Mary, why didn’t Dean get anything? This inconsistency makes my mind hurt. I think that’s why I’d accept the fact that Mary was somehow tempered with while she was pregnant with Sam, or the cuckoo idea, though that makes me sad because I love Sam and Dean being brothers.
John was getting closer to the YED he had to cover his tracks...whatever they were in relation to Mary.
Ohh, that’s a really good point – John did say he only started getting a trail of the YED recently, which would explain lots about the recent deaths. However, we are back to what exactly the YED was covering up, and why they are all linked to Mary. I am highly curious.
I am sort of thinking maybe why Sam is so special is Mary was one of the good guys so the YED took special delight in trying to corrupt the child of someone so good.
The only problem I have with that is why didn’t the YED target Dean as well? First-borns are often the ones in myths are the ones who are important, so why skip Dean and go straight to Sam? This just doesn’t make sense to me.
I really love how the show is expanding Mary’s role in all of this. It never sat well with me that Mary was the victim, the sacrificial lamb, it makes me very happy to find out that she probably played a key role in everything that has happened so far, and she probably played it knowingly.