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  • Aug. 16th, 2005 at 11:46 PM
naanima: (cry)
My sleeping pattern is kind of screwed up. I got home around 6.50pm today, body went "Initiating Shut down," almost immediately, and was pretty much unconscious to the world by 7pm. So, the question is; WHY AM I AWAKE NOW?! The simple reason would be my body hates me, however, I suspect it is because of my prolonged and painful coughing that woke me up. Hmm, on second thought: my body HATE me.

Rather than prepare for tomorrow's tutorial, I am, instead, searching for Orochimaru fics that does more than just provide him a personality of a gay-pedophile. I want depth, I want motives, and I want characterization! Hmm, I suspect I'll be severely disappointed.

I find Orochimaru to be the most fascinating character in Naruto. From the way that he present himself; cold, creepy, and so hungry (ok, we can argue for authorial intent here; snakes=creep/bad/etc., but I’m going to ignore K-sensei’s input for this study), to his mad ambition to know all, to learn all, to understand all. On a complete objective POV I can understand his drive, and his obsession to live. Knowledge is endless, and to have to die before learning everything must just kill the genius that is Orochimaru (say what you will of his actions but Orochimaru is a genius.)

You know, I keep on going back to the few flashback scenes of Orochimaru as a child, and I just can’t picture that little boy becoming what he is now. Orochimaru must have had innocence at one point, must have had compassion, and there must have been a point in his life when Orochimaru came to a decision. Compassion is nothing, protecting those precious to me is not enough. All there is is knowledge. I would love to read something like that.

And I’m so not awake enough to have this rant. Ok, going to attempt to go back to sleep again.

Actually, Orochimaru remind me of Marc Remillard of the Intervention series. Hunger for knowledge, genius, ruthless, and yet… yeah. Before I forget, read Julian May’s Intervention series. Marc is a damn fascinating character.


[identity profile] wrote:
Aug. 16th, 2005 08:11 pm (UTC)

My take on it is that Kishimoto did intend for us to have Orochimaru just be bad to the bone, which I find a bit boring, but can find no more info in the opposite direction. He's more of a mad-scientist type in a way, looking for knowledge, immortality, hubris, etc.
[identity profile] wrote:
Aug. 16th, 2005 11:44 pm (UTC)
Complete agreement with you, which kind of depress me because Orochimaru can be so much more. Nothing against Mad-scientist-types, it is just that I wish there were more. Creep-factor and I'm-so-evil vibes can only interest me for so long.
[identity profile] wrote:
Aug. 17th, 2005 05:19 pm (UTC)
Well, shallowly Orochimaru is teh hawt, although no one seems to agree with me except a few. (Everyone else thinks he looks like a disturbed aging J-rocker or something.) I think this is why Orochimaru is not the main villain; I'm expecting something more from some of the players in Akatsuki.
[identity profile] wrote:
Aug. 18th, 2005 06:09 am (UTC)
What are you talking about, I agree with you. Shallow Orochimaru is so liek teh Hawt! (Though I do see the disturbed aging J-rocker thing... but considering I find that hot I really can't say anyhting.) You think he's not the main villian because he looks like an aging J-rocker? 0_o Or that he's shallow?
[identity profile] wrote:
Aug. 18th, 2005 07:21 am (UTC)
XD Er, whoops, there should have been a carriage return here.

I meant that Orochimaru is not the main villain because he lacks complexity of motivation and he seems inherently evil, not because he resembles an aging J-rocker.
[identity profile] wrote:
Aug. 18th, 2005 07:37 am (UTC)
I thought you didn't mean that ;p Though I admit, looking like an aging J-rocker is proabably a strike against him ^0^ It is the inherently evil bit I'm haivng problem with, I know that's what K-sensei is aiming for, but *gestures* I just want some depth.
[identity profile] wrote:
Aug. 18th, 2005 08:02 am (UTC)
Indeed. There is nothing wrong with looking like a J-rocker, and when you're fifty-plus, is it such a crime to start looking it? XD (Like I said before, Jiraiya is the only one of the sannin to seem to accept getting old. He's settled into the role of dirty old man with aplomb!)

Inherently evil does get old after awhile. I was wondering whether he would do it with Itachi (and I think he is doing it, he had the perfect opportunity to grey it up a bit, didn't take it), so I hope he does something less about the inborn psychopathy with the other Akatsuki members.
[identity profile] wrote:
Aug. 18th, 2005 08:46 am (UTC)
Personally, no problem with the way Orochimaru looks. I liek the gaunt cheekbones look. To tell you the truh I get completely freaked out when he walks around with that young face he has under his 'face-mask' thing. (It is the truth though, loves Jiraiya for accepting the whole getting older thing. Love how he absolutely revels in being his age.)

I'm still hoping that he'll do something more with Itachi mainly because of the whole flashback bit between Itachi and Sasuke. I jsut refuse to accept the fact that the kid Itachi was could suffenly turn around and massacre him clan for no reason. Really hoping it is some sort of conspiracy on the Uchiha's part that finally pushed Itachi over the edge. Hoping.
[identity profile] wrote:
Aug. 19th, 2005 07:36 am (UTC)
Yeah, I don't like his young face either. It's actually not pretty at all. But now that he's switched bodies, we won't be seeing it anymore, thankfully.

I found the flashback was mostly wasted from an Itachi perspective. What seems to have been revealed was entirely predictable. Perhaps when Sasuke finally gets back more will be developed.
[identity profile] wrote:
Aug. 17th, 2005 02:25 am (UTC)
I want Orochimaru fic, too. :/ Even if it shows him as a creepy gay paedophile, if it is recognisable as Orochimaru. (Because, dude. He is that, too, or at least can be drawn that way without boggling the mind. :D He just needs to be also the amoral reckless genius hungry for knowledge and certain sorts of power.) I want fic about him and Kabuto, and Kakashi, and Sasuke, and Kimimaro, and the Sound Four, and Sarutobi (so much...!): fic that draws out who he is and and how and why, and doesn't make him out to be unfathomable and evil (even if that's what the creator intended...). Not even necessarily fic from back when he was little, but fic that hints at it. He might never have been compassionate, but I do agree that he had to have hit a roadblock when the need for killing people for his experiments came up: what got him over that hurdle? <3

I'm sure it goes without saying that if you find anything good, please share!
[identity profile] wrote:
Aug. 17th, 2005 03:30 am (UTC)
OMFG! Sarutobi and Orochimaru! ♥ Father and Son! *fangirls* You know that's one relationship I want explored. Sarutobi loved Orochimaru as a son so damn much, and to have Orochimaru go against everything he ever believed in, ouch. I LOVE parents and child fics. And to have fics that hint at what he was... oh, *starry eyes* It would be bliss. There's just so much untapped potential in his character, and it is so disappointing to have it unexplored. As for the hurdle, boy, do I want that explored.

Will share when I do find it. Don't get your hopes to high.
[identity profile] wrote:
Aug. 17th, 2005 07:50 am (UTC)
And you know, now that I think about it, I remember two very different reasons for Orochimaru's becoming a missing-nin (although they both do have to do with Sarutobi). I remember his leaving because they caught him in the act of experimenting on villagers, but the anime last week said that he left because Sarutobi passed him over when he was choosing the fourth hokage. Is that a manga v. anime thing, or were there really two reasons given for it?

I'm a bit of a sucker for parent-child (whether literal or symbolic) interaction in fics, too. And the betrayal on both sides...! Now I sort of want to write Sarutobi-Orochimaru fic (but only if I feel I can do it justice).
[identity profile] wrote:
Aug. 17th, 2005 09:48 am (UTC)

Yes, you can do do JUSTICE for it! WRITE! WRITE! PARENT-CHILD!!

(I don't remember Sarutobi passing him over, but that might be due to my faulty memory than anything else.)


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