As I watched Mary run into Sam’s room and spat out ‘You,’ to the YED I had this bizarre thought - what if Mary was one of the generations of special children that YED talked about? The major difference being Mary’s generation screwing up all of his plans. I think Mary was like Ava, survived long enough, and became powerful enough to walk out of that town alive. I think she won that competition, and then had the gull to say fuck off to the YED. And the YED can recognize a dead-end (killed Jessica because he didn’t want Sam to become mundane), know when to walk away from a losing hand and BIDE for his time. See, if Mary was a special kid at one point, then there would be a high likelihood that her children would inherit her ability as well. The Demon have time, he can afford to wait. So, what if he waited and waited until little Mary gave birth to her first-born.
It always struck me as odd that Kripke and others would NOT pay special interest to the myths involved with a first-born, being the first-born son holds much power. What if the YED stood over Dean’s crib when he was 6 months old, and what if the former was greatly disappointed because little Dean Winchester was completely normal? Except, maybe Dean wasn’t, maybe Mary was smart enough to realize it wasn’t over, maybe she did something to hide Dean, or possibly nip any sort of potential in Dean before it could become a beacon? But this is where I stumble – why didn’t she do the same for Sam? One possibility - Mary had let her guard down, four years and not a peep from the YED, though I admit the more likely explanation would be Mary ‘burning’ all her abilities out as a consequence of hiding Dean, or possibly removing it all together to become invisible.
Either way, look at how Dean REACTED to Andy’s MESSAGE/visions! The really important question is – WHY DID IT HURT HIM SO MUCH?! Dean reacted to it as if it was someone taking a MALLET to his brain, yet at NO point did Andy say that his powers caused other people pain! Andy would’ve mentioned it if it did cause people pain! In fact, thinking back to Simon Said, Dean was ACTIVELY fighting against Andy’ control, despite the fact that EVERYONE else (beside the special kids) could NOT fight against suggestions, hell they didn’t even know they were being controlled. It is almost as if Dean have an AUTOMATIC defense mechanism that fights off against supernatural possession or say a psychic attempting to mess with him. This is NOT saying he’d be successful fighting off possession, it just means that any supernatural force that attempts to get to Dean on a mental/spiritual level have a way harder fight on their hands. What if - when Mary made Dean invisible by removal of his abilities she also removed most of his innate protection against other ‘special’ children. That by making Dean normal she also made him defenseless against the other kid’s powers (at least the psychic ones), but she can’t remove it completely if it was part of Dean. So Dean’s body/spirit automatically attempt to fight off possession and special kids’ abilities but WITHOUT the pool of power that Dean would be able to draw on, as Mary had removed it.
Next point – the YED keep on DISMISSING Dean; I am very SUSPICIOUS of this, if he was so dismissive of Dean he could’ve killed him way earlier. It is almost as if he’s trying to draw the real Dean out by repeatedly fucking up Sam’s life. Not saying that Sam is not important, or one of his favourite. It just means the YED is not stupid enough to let a potential soldier like Dean go if he could someone undo what Mary did. And the only way to push Dean to his boundaries is through Sam.
See, if I was the YED and I wanted the BEST soldier I would try to get as many potentials as possible before I have the Demonic version of Survivor show. And if there’s even a possibility of Dean being a special kid I’d go out of my way to set up TESTS to figure out whether he was one or not because Dean Winchester is a force to be reckoned with. For example, oh, I don’t know, I’d see whether he was IMMUNE to a DEMONIC VIRUS! I’m telling you on re-watching SPN 2, I realized there has been many comments about ‘Tests’, hell, even Meg blahed about tests in BUABS. So, what if up till now all the tests were aimed at Dean because there is NO point in testing Sam, especially when it was pretty much a done deal since the day the YED fed Sam his BLOOD!
I- I think the YED lied to Sam when he said he only wanted one soldier, I think the YED wants the best, and the best is Sam and Dean Winchester, together. And I think season 2 has been about testing Dean, to see whether he is a special kid, because Mary did her job well in protecting her oldest, yet failed her youngest, hence the apology during ‘Home’. I think the YED is laying the groundwork to welcome both Winchesters as his Generals.
Now to see whether I am right or not!
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But since I'm sure those much more sound of mind than I agree with you too, you're most likely safe in your sanity.
Kripke's obviously trying his damnedest to beat that out of the viewers though isn't he?
At least to me, that could have easily happened if Dean is so insignificant as the YED so contiuously states. But it didn't. And unless Kripke and Co. didn't realise how they were making Dean look, and it's just an accident this stuff appears as it, does, I think there has to be more at work here.
I really think there is (or there should be) a firstborn correlation and that's why Mary knows the demon or something like that. Basically what you wrote. Which is way more elegant than anything I just typed up.
This was a really interesting post. Thanks for it.
Exactly! It doesn't make sense to have Dean around if he isn't important. Before 221 I was of the thought that the only reason the YED left Dean alive was so that he could protect Sam from the Hunters. However, seeing as the YED (I assume it was him) took down the Roadhouse with no problems, and how he could have taken Sam and put him somewhere else at any point, that line of thought pretty much went out of the window. One the things that have been going through my mind though is that maybe the YED took John's soul because he need it for some other purpose (a really good General is really hard to come by).
I have much hope that Kripke co are smart enough about the symbols and myths, and missing the opportunity to mess with the firstborn just seems strange. Also, one of the things I notice about SPN is that they actually PLAN all the major events. Revelations about the plot or the characterisation always feel inevitable. The writers lay the ground work for all major developments.
Thanks for reading!
I think it comes down to something much more basic. Possessed!Sammy could've killed Dean at the very beginning in the hotel room instead of knocking him out. Why would he shoot Dean in the shoulder and just leave without making sure that Dean was dead?
Furthermore, when Sam was snatched out of that diner in 2.21 and everyone in that place was dead, how did Dean come out of that unharmed unless there were ~plans~ in the works?
It would just make sense to "kill the spare" (thx, JK Rowling) off right away but no. Time and time again, Dean survives. Even 2.01 shows that the YED could've just let Dean die off and let nature take its course, but no. He made the deal for John's soul and the gun. He didn't have to, but clearly he has his reasons for keeping them both alive as much as he's bothered to.
I'm sure the YED could've had that gun eventually because time is very long and patient. Eventually circumstances would've come up that the Colt would've made an excellent bargaining chip but we'll never know. In fact, the YED has reason NOT to take the deal and let Dean die because well. Dean did kill his son. So. He definitely has plans for both Winchester sons. If they don't tie up the YED arc next episode, I'm sure that's what s3 is going to be about. The Whys and Wherefores.
Dean figures into his plans, definitely. Otherwise, he'd have been toast a long long time ago. In fact, I don't think it's too outrageous to say that Dean should've ended up pinned to the ceiling long before now.
I'm very interested to know what use the YED has for that gun. Why would he even care about a gun and a single bullet?
NODS! Total agreement on my part (as if Sam/Meg would miss the heart or the head when it was obvious he/she had much time to aim), I was going to talk about it but I'm still unsure of the exact circumstances to Meg's possession of Sam. I think Meg lied through her pretty teeth, sure, a huge part of it was all about revenge on her part. However, I think it is just the icing on the cake. I cannot imagine her not obeying the YED's orders. That last couple of scenes where Meg-as-Sam is laying into Dean she keeps on making comments about tests. What if it is just another test to see whether Dean would be useful? What if it was just something more to push Dean over the edge? I can imagine the YED telling Meg to hurt Dean (have some fun) but no death.
Ohhh, I didn't even think about the diner scene in that light (I was too stunned to make any sort of connection), but that makes perfect sense. I'm beginning to feel this urge to make a list of the times the YED could have killed Dean but didn't.
Ditto in relation to 2.01, though I am really curious about what the YED is/will be doing with John's soul. Yes, it could be as simple as revenge, but it just feels as if there's more.
In fact, the YED has reason NOT to take the deal and let Dean die because well. Dean did kill his son.
That's what I thought, I kept on thing that it was a major strategical error on the YED's part. If had really wanted Sam to turn into a cold blooded murderer it would had been much easier to kill off Dean, and let John and Sam go on a vengeance binge. I do believe that Sam would still want to do the right thing, but he was this close to killing his own father in the cabin, and it was Dean who reined him back.
Hmm, I just realised that the YED is in a win/win situation. Sam goes darkside - YED has powerful psychic soldier. Dean goes on vengeance spree - YED can possibly gain a soldier using John's soul, and possibly promises of a living Sam as an incentive. This, of course, it under the assumption that Dean has some sort of latent psychic ability.
In relation to the Colt - is it used to kill the YED, or does the YED needed to kill something? I'm still a bit confused on why the colt + bullet didn't kill the YED during 'Salvation'.
Thanks for reading!