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An open letter to LJ.

  • Aug. 8th, 2007 at 8:35 AM
naanima: ([Doctor Who] I dream...)
[livejournal.com profile] bubble_blunder's - An Open Letter To LiveJournal and Six Apart.....

Go, have a read, and signed it if you agree with what it is being said.

ETA: An open letter to burr86

I cannot believe the unprofessionalism of [livejournal.com profile] burr86.

For my own reference - the whole thing that has now been deleted.

And LJ stay silent, which I can't decide whether is a mistake or not.

ETA 2: - Illegal and Harmful Content Policy Clarifications. Or LJ makes a comment - not on LJ news, but on LJ biz. Hmm.

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[identity profile] code-renegade.livejournal.com wrote:
Aug. 8th, 2007 04:36 am (UTC)
LJ has finally opened their traps and clarified their stand on the whole p0rnography angle of issues:
http://community.livejournal.com/lj_biz/241884.html
[identity profile] naanima.livejournal.com wrote:
Aug. 8th, 2007 06:05 am (UTC)
I feel dumb, but it doesn't seem to have answered any of the pressing matters. Like, what set of regulations does the LJ-abuse team have to deleted journals? Also, why is fiction and fanart being banned when pro-anoerexia communities are still around?

No trust for them on my part.
[identity profile] code-renegade.livejournal.com wrote:
Aug. 8th, 2007 07:17 am (UTC)
I must confess to being puzzled myself. Why aren't they going after REAL child p0rn than fictional ones? And as for the pro-anorexia communities being allowed to stay on, their apparent reasoning was that such comms do "more good than bad" by warning people away from such acts. Erm, PRO-anorexia comms warning people away from anorexia? EPIC FAIL.
[identity profile] naanima.livejournal.com wrote:
Aug. 8th, 2007 07:32 am (UTC)
It is really screwed up. Like I said no trust, and I'm just going to keep on posting the things that's going down at LJ. I am reading up on Wordpress, and choosing my servers with great care; reading all the TOS. Also, please, it is pretty obvious that the whole fiasco is do to legal issues and the sort of 'community' they want to build. Having extremely biased individuals on the LJ abuse team is conflict of interest, and there is little transparency in the way they handle matters. The way they are going about doing business is just bad practice.
[identity profile] code-renegade.livejournal.com wrote:
Aug. 8th, 2007 07:38 am (UTC)
You can always check out WebHostingTalk.com for reviews on any webhost you decide to go with. Personally I'm not ready to jump ship, and I really don't foresee myself doing things that might be against the TOS.

What LJ really needs to do now is to explain the 2 cases of suspension, because from the comments I am reading it seems like people are still up in arms over the how and why exactly for this situation.

Also, a bit late to doing housekeeping and suddenly say, "this is the type of community we want", isn't it? They should have spelt this out from the start instead of springing it on us during 1) Memorial Day weekend, 2) Harry Potter DH weekend, and 3) Friday.
[identity profile] naanima.livejournal.com wrote:
Aug. 8th, 2007 07:51 am (UTC)
Ohh - thanks! Didn't even know it existed. I'm not so much as jumping ship as I want a clean start for personal/professional reasons (Business + Professional reasons). This journal will still be here but updating may become less and less. The way LJ is going just make the hwole process less painless.

*NODS* It is the lack transparency in their process, and the fact that they keep on contracdicting themselves in their actions. The confusion, the subjective deletion of journals, the fact that a LJ employee and LJ itself implied that all fans of HP are pedophiles is a stupid mistake and obviously biased the decision of the LJ abuse team.

I'm not arguing their rights to delete journals. It is their server, I am angry at the way it was done, the contradictory news, the obvious disrespct to their paying customers, and the gall to decided what holds artistic merits and what doesn't. That's just retarded and fucking stupid.

Yes, it is definitely too late. And the 3 times it was done was obviously done in the hope of avoiding a major PR incident, well, too fucking bad for them. So, no sympathy.

[identity profile] code-renegade.livejournal.com wrote:
Aug. 8th, 2007 08:05 am (UTC)
WebHostingTalk is a great place for all hosting-related matters. I am personally planning to move my sites to WebKore.net soon. Still sitting on the idea, but it seems like a place with good prices and great support turnabout time. And if it's one lesson I learnt from all my years of buying hosting, it is that you can never underestimate the importance of fast support.

I still can't get over the fact that it's specifically 2 HP artists whose HP artworks led to them being hit in this fiasco. It is just too... coincidental? Selfishly, I am glad I am no longer in the HP fandom because otherwise I'll have to follow the pack and move off LJ or something. My gut tells me that this won't be the last of the HP-related suspensions.

I have to give LJ time to get their news out to us. They can't possibly address all our concerns in a single post (which, btw, should totally have been posted to [livejournal.com profile] news instead of the biz LJ. But they need to address our concerns, and in a timely manner. My biggest question to them right now is if they will suspend a user for what they deem to be illegal contents even if the contents were hosted off LJ and merely linked to from within LJ?

I am just giggling at how silly they were to try not once, but 3 times to slip their policy changes past their ever-alert user base over such dates. Once it might be a coincidence, but 3 times and it is almost insulting the way they think there is ever a timeout online.
[identity profile] naanima.livejournal.com wrote:
Aug. 8th, 2007 08:24 am (UTC)
Having never had a website of my own I must bow before your greater knowledge and understanding. Will check out WebHostingTalk as soon as I can.

HP artists being targeted is not that surprising considering JKR's attitudes to fans and fan creations. No way it is conincidental, I am all for CONSPIRACY! Beside, HP is like the largest monet making machine ever, no way in hell WB or JKR let anything besmirch its name. Blah, blah, blah. I think HP fan artists/writers are going down. But the point is, HP fans today, what's tomorrow? It is a slippery slope from here.

See, I can't give them the benefit of the doubt. They didn't have to address all of our concerns but they could have made a statement about their actions before it happened. Hell, they could have said somethingl straight after changing their codes so that it no longer showed the strikethrough of deleted journals, or even just one sentence saying an exclaimation is in progress to THEIR customers. Instead they kept unsilent, let their employees be unprofessional, and made NO actions to be transparent in their decision making process. As for hosting adult content on their server - they want a 'clean' community. It seems to me they want a MySpace because they want the money.

I can't giggle because it is down right frustrating, and their sheer stupidity is making me slightly stunned.
[identity profile] -leareth.livejournal.com wrote:
Aug. 8th, 2007 07:54 am (UTC)
*sets lawyer cap on* Personally I'm curious about this line:

In short, we want to eliminate child porn from being hosted on LiveJournal.

What exactly do they mean by 'host'? Do they mean pictures hosted on their server, or is it enough to just img-src embed an image into a LJ-entry? There's a big different to hosting HP pr0n art on the LJ servers (ie., people uploading the picture to pics.livejournal.com) and people linking or img-src embedding the picture from another location where it's hosted on their own server or a picture archive like Photobucket. If 'hosted' they mean pictures uploaded to pics.livejournal.com their stance is more understandable in that they're actively supporting pornographic material (set aside the issue of whether it's 'right' to judge the picture in the first place), but it's a bit much when people link to the pic when the actual picture file is hosted somewhere that's not LJ.
[identity profile] code-renegade.livejournal.com wrote:
Aug. 8th, 2007 08:10 am (UTC)
I'm waiting for an answer from LJ on this as well. Unless I am mistaken, I believe [livejournal.com profile] ponderosa121 embeds the fanart within her LJ using a direct link from her personal website. So it appears that LJ just doesn't want such images on their site, whether it is hosted on their servers or not. Which is all sorts of grey area right now unless LJ comes out and clarifies their stand on this matter.
[identity profile] naanima.livejournal.com wrote:
Aug. 8th, 2007 08:14 am (UTC)
I got to admit, the whole thing sounds pretty airy fairy to me.

As for the server issue - god knows what they are thinking of. By the way they have been doing things I doubt there will be any clear terms of service anytime soon.

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