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More SPN 401 blather; religion and comics

  • Sep. 20th, 2008 at 11:31 AM
naanima: ([SPN] Where it all began)
OK, below are my longer notes for Supernatural 401 – Lazarus Rising.


  • The whole first 8 minutes of the episode was pure gold; from Dean’s eyes surrounded by darkness and covered in blood to waking up in a coffin to finding the gas station. The lack of music was perfect and really kind of creepy. Dean, alone, walking bowlegged on a dusty road in the middle of nowhere, breaking into an abandoned gas station has a very Apocalypse feel to it. I approve.

  • Dean’s grave site; the way the surrounding trees have been pushed background like something large and powerful landed there. A very creepy moment.

  • The sound effect just before the windows and every other glass item exploded was all sort of awesome.

  • I love that Dean have flashes of what hell must have been like for him. Except he can’t remember it but for the sounds and the feeling and I just love how they are showing hell to us viewers. As a side note I love how Dean’s hands are so cut up and bruised. I have this thing for dirty/hurt hands when situations calls for it; makes a scene for real to me.

  • I have always been one of those fans who liked the idea that while there may be Angels and God in the SPN universe, that it would be a God who, if they did care, was all about free will and not about holding humanity’s hand. We make our own decisions, life is not fixed, and our ability to choose means we must own up to all the consequences of the choices we make. So, in many ways I never had a problem with the lack of the Godly presence within the SPN verse because if it did send Angels to fight a war for humanity than free will is a moot point. Also, I always believed that Hunters in many ways were the equalising force in the fight against Evil (or things who want to eat us because to them we are like cattle). However, having said that I kind of guessed that Kripke was going to be introducing Angels into the universe because it makes sense on a thematic and dramatic level.

  • So, I LOVE that Kripke went the ways of the Old Testament in relation to Angels, that yes, Angels are not loving beings (screw you Touched by an Angel), they don’t care for humans, they are Soldiers of Gods, and their sole purpose for existing is for the Will of God. In the Old Testament Angels were sent to kill, burn cities to the ground, turn people to salt, seeing an Angel was not a blessing it was often the lead up to death and annihilation. So, I’m over the moon that human eyes are burned from their sockets on seeing his visage because that’s what happens when you see something of the divine with no filter. Like staring directly at the sun with no protection except a billion times worse, she is lucky that she didn’t die.

  • Castiel; that’s how I’m spelling it till Kripke say otherwise. Boy, I swear I screamed out ‘CONSTANTINE’! at my monitor when he first appeared. Because OMFG! The trench-coat, the hair-cut, the whole package screamed John Constantine at me. And for one split second I thanked the gods that Kripke is a geek, because there is no way in hell he did not base Castiel’s look on Constantine, or one of the other Trench-coat Brigade (and if you recognise the reference, give yourself a cookie).

    I love how Castiel is so utterly alien, that there is no hint of humanity or a hint of guilt at the pain and suffering he has caused. That it was their choice for looking upon him, that humanity hardly pinged in his consciousness. I LOVED it, absolutely loved it. That the hint of admiration he is showing Dean is purely based on the fact that ‘God’ chose to save him, and that it confused him how Dean could not see his true form, that Dean seemed so normal. I just want more of this guy.

  • It appears that season 4 is picking up the lost plot line of Blood vs. Blood, Brother vs. Brother, that this season is going to be Dean vs Sam. Except the question is whether it is about Good vs. Evil or something else. Will Dean kill Sam, or will it be about Dean saying a rather big Fuck You to the universe and saving his little brother? Because, you know, it can go either way, and as much as I want one big throw down between the Winchester brothers I want it to ultimately end with Dean saving Sam because it is about the saving the people, not fighting the war. And Dean Winchester doesn't believe in destiny.

  • In conclusion, Dean is brought back by an Angel sent by God because our boy still have a job to do, Sam is practicing his powers, the demons are scared, an Angel has appeared, and maybe it is time to take bets who is going to win between the brothers. It would be awesome if they manage to kill the Angel at the end.



  • Kripke is a geek, and I’m pretty sure he has read every Vertigo title over the past decade. So, Kripke, please remember the reason some of the biggest titles out there became successful. It wasn't so much because of their huge cosmic plots so much as the emotions and the relationships within those stories.

    Also, if you can work in Gaiman’s Lucifer I’ll personally build you a shrine.

    Love,
    naanima

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[identity profile] lady-death.livejournal.com wrote:
Sep. 20th, 2008 05:26 am (UTC)
So, I LOVE that Kripke went the ways of the Old Testament in relation to Angels, that yes, Angels are not loving beings (screw you Touched by an Angel), they don’t care for humans, they are Soldiers of Gods, and their sole purpose for existing is for the Will of God.

I just wanted to say I agree emphatically. If we had to have Angels, (and I wasn't against the idea of there being supernatural forces of "good" in the SPN universe, I just hope we see some from other mythology besides the Judeo-Christian one) than I do think Kripke set the tone perfectly. They aren't all warm and cuddly.

I love how Castiel is so utterly alien, that there is no hint of humanity or a hint of guilt at the pain and suffering he has caused. That it was their choice for looking upon him, that humanity hardly pinged in his consciousness. I LOVED it, absolutely loved it.

I was disscussing this and the conclusion my friend and I came to, is the thing about angels is they obey god's will without question. They're truly perfect in the regard that they have no doubt, no hesitancy, no second thought. He warned her, and she didn't obey immediately. Well then, she got what she deserved.

And for one split I thanked the gods that Kripke is a geek, because there is no way in hell he did not base Castiel’s look on Constantine, or one of the other Trench-coat Brigade

It is so much more fun when other people notice this!

It wasn't so much because of their huge cosmic plots so much as the emotions and the relationships within those stories.

Thank you. I don't need huge battles or epic scenery if you give me good characterization and focus on what works, the bond between the brothers.

Also, if you can work in Gaiman’s Lucifer I’ll personally build you a shrine.

One of the best characterizations of Lucifer no? And it would fit right in with Supernatural, while the demons are squabbling amongst themselves in their hierarchy, he's taken off.

(Also I really wanted Gaiman's idea of hell that you torture yourself there.)





[identity profile] naanima.livejournal.com wrote:
Sep. 20th, 2008 05:43 am (UTC)
They're truly perfect in the regard that they have no doubt, no hesitancy, no second thought. He warned her, and she didn't obey immediately. Well then, she got what she deserved.

EXACTLY! They are perfect, they do not question their existence for they know God's love, and that God cannot be wrong, and in return they are completely obedient to God. We all know what happened to the one who didn't agree.

I was COMPLETELY geeking out over the Constantine outfit; trench coats! EEEE!

the bond between the brothers.

EXACTLY! I found the best episodes where the episodes that focused on their relationship, and while special effects add to the overall enjoyment of the story it isn't the main attraction. Hell, apparently they blew a stupid amount of money on the Magnificent 7, and it was one of the weakest episode of season 3.

Oh gods, I would pay money to see Gaiman's Lucifer. Tuxedo and all.

(I love the idea that one let oneself by tortured, except in Dean's case I get the feeling it wasn't so much letting himself as the fact that he made a Deal and there was not way out. Except it seems there is a way out after all).

I'm REALLY excited about this season. REALLY excited.
[identity profile] lady-death.livejournal.com wrote:
Sep. 20th, 2008 05:56 am (UTC)
EXACTLY! I found the best episodes where the episodes that focused on their relationship, and while special effects add to the overall enjoyment of the story it isn't the main attraction.

Me too! There were some episodes I was muttering under my breath, "they have no idea what makes this show work, do they?" (But at least they've never lost as much focus as say Heroes, first half of Season Two, and the current season of Prison Break.)


I was COMPLETELY geeking out over the Constantine outfit; trench coats! EEEE!

Oh gods, I would pay money to see Gaiman's Lucifer. Tuxedo and all.


This is why I'm thankful for [livejournal.com profile] spn_heavymeta, I can find people who squee over the same things I squee over. *massive squee!*

And they better bring him back in that same vissage.

I'm actually a lot more excited than I thought I would be, especially because I really wanted an Orpheus plot. Now I just need an icon that says "Don't Fuck It Up, Kripke." He better keep doing the Old Testament angels right



[identity profile] naanima.livejournal.com wrote:
Sep. 21st, 2008 12:35 pm (UTC)
(But at least they've never lost as much focus as say Heroes, first half of Season Two, and the current season of Prison Break.)

OMFG! EXACTLY! I think that's one of the main reasons I love our little show. Despite how bad it can get it never forget the main story it is trying to sell. While minor plot lines may be dropped they ALWAYS deliver on the main event, which many shows don't (X-Files, you bastard).

"Don't Fuck It Up, Kripke."

OH GODS! This MUST be made!
[identity profile] lady-death.livejournal.com wrote:
Sep. 21st, 2008 04:20 pm (UTC)
(X-Files, you bastard). *shakes fist* Don't we have some production people from there too? Hopefully, they learned from those mistakes.

OH GODS! This MUST be made!

If I had better icon skills I would. We need to commission someone.

(PS I love your banner.)
[identity profile] naanima.livejournal.com wrote:
Sep. 23rd, 2008 02:43 am (UTC)
I blame Chris Carter for all the bad things that went wrong. The production people were awesome.

I'll make it, I just need to get some time.

(Thanks! I LOVE Robert Downey Jr. I want to make a SPN banner but that requires time.)

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