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Oct. 27th, 2006 at 7:51 AM

i_smile,

I have thought about the topic a bit more, and this is what I have.

Batman
Before we discuss this, I just want to make sure we are on the same page. The version of Batman we are discussing about will be the comics universe Batman and not the Christian Bale version (not because Bale is bad as Batman so much as the fact that Bale’s Batman is more Bruce Wayne rather then being Batman. I’m sure this makes sense to you if no one else.)

Superman
I’m curious, why does he freak you out? At an instinctive level, Superman scares me, but I really can’t verbalise it in a manner that would make sense. (I have a sneaky suspicion that it is to do with him being supposedly perfect, a symbol of all that is right and true, yet lacking anything that resembles humanity. Clark Kent is different; Kal El makes the distinction between Superman and Clark Kent, and that is possibly more discomforting than anything else.)

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code-renegade.livejournal.com wrote:

Oct. 28th, 2006 06:38 am (UTC)

Batman's way of being extra-harsh on his own side I feel can be justified. In a fight against a bad guy, you *know* that the guy in front of you is going to burn down your house and kill all your pets if he gets the chance. At the same time, you also *expect* the guy fighting beside you to not want to do those things. What if your ally once did those stuff? Does that mean that he is capable of becoming like the guy you're currently fighting? If Batman has to go into fights with such questions lingering, he's on some level right to be paranoia about allies who have once served the wrong side. My way of looking at it at least.

And yeah, Supes did take over a few worlds in some Elseworlds, but it all get turned into cop-outs of "I was possessed to do evil! Oh, I must right it now!" by the end of it. Always. The core of Superman is undeniable goodness, it seems.

And I believe 'Batman Unmasked' did include some of those rules. I read the old edition of it from my university's library last year - it was quite fun :D

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naanima.livejournal.com wrote:

Oct. 28th, 2006 08:50 am (UTC)

*nods*

You guys are so smart. The only thing I can say is that I wish Tim and Shiva could've had a fling. They worked, for me.

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i-smile.livejournal.com wrote:

Oct. 28th, 2006 08:55 am (UTC)

I agree with that, but that boy takes it to extremes. It's perfectly right to be cautious (and my definition of reasonable caution is possibly more broad than most people's) when you're doing life-threatening work in which every moment counts and you can't really afford doubt, but. There's a problem when there's nothing your people can do to be trusted. Or when the people who work for you really think they're disappointing, or when they go off to do dangerous things on their own because they don't think there's a chance you'll be on their side--it's not just Batman who needs to believe that the people he works with have his back.

I will have to look for that book! :D

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code-renegade.livejournal.com wrote:

Oct. 28th, 2006 09:06 am (UTC)

I'm a bit shagged to reply to all you cool cats and your comments :D;;

But I do have a post here from last year that I think you'd be interested in reading! I posted segments from Wertham's infamous 'Seduction of the Innocent' and also bits and pieces from 'Batman Unmasked'. IMHO, Adam West must learn the meaning of "made love" and not use it in the context of referring to his Boy Wonder co-star...!
http://code-renegade.livejournal.com/395403.html

Have fun!

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